I'm Wolf Blitzer in Washington. Peress lieutenants, led by Yossi Beilin and Uri Savir, opened a secret track with PLO negotiators outside Oslo. BAKER: Well, they don't want Turkey playing a role in terms of moving in there and preventing them from enjoying the status that they currently enjoy, thanks, of course, totally to the actions of the first President Bush in 1991, as an autonomous region up there in the North. Listen precisely to what he told me, the other day, here on CNN. HAMILTON: Yes. And I agree with that. Sandra Day O'Connor, one of the members, said to me, "Jane, take this and move on." And in that 120 days, we want to see what you're going to do." And this government is taking care of security. TO ORDER A VIDEO OF THIS TRANSCRIPT, PLEASE CALL 800-CNN-NEWS OR USE OUR SECURE ONLINE ORDER FORM LOCATED AT www.voxant.com. At last he gained the affection of Oriental Jews half of Israels population who had once seen him as an Ashkenazi elitist. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) SEN. SAM BROWNBACK (R-KS): The country's been pretty patient on Iraq. Welcome back to "Late Edition." And here in Washington, Lee Hamilton, the former Democratic congressman from Indiana, currently the director of the Woodrow Wilson Institute for Scholars. It was her choice. #NoRoomforSmallDreams. So we have a prescription, under this approach, of kind of a permanent war. Today the prime minister, on behalf of Hamas, said that, even if we should reach an agreement, we will not recognize Israel. It doesn't surprise me that Hakim wants to exclude the Sunnis. December 10, 1994 - Awarded the Nobel Peace Prize along with Yasser Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin. We've got to put pressure on the Iraqis to do exactly that. Now, to talk with Iran, we have had relations with Iran, different Iran. Then there are the much wider political questions about the consequences for the United States of a meltdown in the region and of a war in Iraq, a civil war, which I think everybody here thinks would be catastrophic beyond present imagining. But Syria is Sunni, and Iran is Shia, and they have a lot of differences. There's no way to value that. "The study group offers 79 recommendations, adding up to a cowardly exit from Iraq and the abandonment of tens of thousands of Iraqis who took America's promises at face value. Shimon Prokupecz has been working with CNN for less than a decade, but in that time he's already made his mark. Balkanization? THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. And if he is found guilty, so be it. No wonder Orly Azoulay titled her 1996 biography of him The Man Who Didnt Know How to Win. Have you ever wondered how much wealth this American reporter and journalist has accumulated so far? Is the president still in a state of denial? I don't see the first step. For instance, I've heard the idea of literally issuing the Iraqi government an ultimatum and saying, "You have 120 days, and then we are moving all our troops out of the violent areas and the cities to the border, to various enclaves, getting our troops out of the line of fire. (END VIDEO CLIP) BLITZER: Highlights from the other Sunday morning talk shows here on "Late Edition," the last word in Sunday talk. They're standing by for their view of what's happening in Iraq and over at the White House. Yes, we're encouraged. But if that's the outcome, that's the outcome. A year after his death, the last of the founding generation of Israel's leaders describes a life "entwined with the birth and . Peres became leader of the Hanoar Haoved (Working Youth) Zionist movement when he was 19, and founded Kibbutz Alumot in the Jordan Valley. More than that, his stance seemed to contradict Netanyahus policies. The difference was minor. Military spokesmen here weren't aware of it before he was coming, couldn't tell us about it when he was here. As John Burns was saying, on the ground, and I've reported this; others have reported that the study group says, oh, it is a grave and deteriorating situation BLITZER: "Dire" was one of the words. Now, where is all this leading? SHAYS: Well, it just points out how difficult it is for people to police their own body. CNN anchor Jake Tapper joins the world in mourning . Let me start with you, Secretary Baker. "The festival of Sukkot is a festival of kinship and mutual responsibility." (President Peres, Sukkot 2012) BLITZER: But the general notion that James Baker and Lee Hamilton and their colleagues have that, in order to ease the crisis, potentially a catastrophe, in Iraq, the United States has to get much more intimately involved on the Israeli-Palestinian front. During the 60s, he honed the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) and secretly amassed Israels nuclear weapons. We gave back Gaza completely to the Palestinians. A timeline to motivate the Iraqis BLITZER: But should there be a surge of troops in the short period? This article was amended on 28 September 2016. We'll take a quick break. They look for domination of the Iranians, the Hamas and the Hezbollah, over the Middle East, religiously. 2. HARMAN: Yes, I do. The New York Post had an editorial, "The Counsel of Cowards" it was entitled. [1] In 2013, he joined CNN as their Crime and Justice producer based in Washington, D.C. and later New York City. I think the president has to look at this very, very hard before he goes off on another choice. The Jerusalem Report news magazine called him Israels only world-class statesman, perhaps Zionisms last pragmatic visionary. Please expand the article to include this information. And I think we had an earthquake on November 7 when the Republicans were removed from power over the Iraq and corruption issues. And that's a little bit of what that is. The state funeral seemed to offer a moment of transition for a country that has drifted away from the leaders vision. Peres emerged as foreign minister under Sharon in a Likud-Labour coalition government. He wants to have, in the southern seven or nine provinces of Iraq, the same kind of autonomous area that the Kurds have in the North. They don't like to see foreign troops on their soil. "If the Iraqi government does not make substantial progress toward the achievement of milestones on national reconciliation, security and governance, the United States should reduce political, military or economic support for the Iraqi government." We say that you change in the primary mission of our forces, an enhanced and more active and vigorous diplomatic offensive. I thought I'd earned it and that it had been promised. Welcome to Washington. Their mutual respect was clear from the outset. Your email address will not be published. Because here in the United States, you know, Israel is a very close ally of the United States. This is a comprehensive strategy designed to deal with this problem we're facing in Iraq but also designed to deal with other problems that we face in the region. January-November 2005 - Vice premier of the Knesset (Parliament) and senior deputy prime minister of Israel. So why should we monopolize it? Secretary Baker, always a pleasure having you on "Late Edition," as well. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. No more budgeting by supplemental. I think we can have a central country that provides for equitable sharing of the oil and the common defense. You know, John talks to them, I get e-mails, I hear from people. She became a source of strength to him in private and an enigmatically deferential figure in public. BLITZER: All right, guys. But the ball has to move here. AL-HAKIM (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): This is not up to us. In early 1992, Rabin replaced Peres as party leader, and went on to win the June elections for Labour. He's now honorary chairman of the James Baker Institute for Public Policy at Rice University. They think the U.S. is trying to impose a deal on the Iraqis themselves. And there should have been a realization -- and this is one of the points of my book -- that there is a truth here on the ground that has not been absorbed in the strategy and the tactics. The Sunnis will not accept a Shia-led government by itself if they're shut out of the deal and don't have a fair deal. You've got three groups, three large groups there -- Kurds, Sunnis and Shias -- and there's a real movement ahead, picking up, to shut out the Sunnis. How can he call it apartheid? In his later years, he was passionate about the borderless worlds of science and technology. Thanks very much, Bob, for coming in. BLITZER: It seems like that violence is escalating. John, the reaction from Iraqi leaders, including the president, Jalal Talabani, himself a Kurd, today, very negative to this Iraq Study Group recommendations. BLITZER: You don't think the U.S. should demand that they first stop supporting terrorist organizations? What do you say to the American public who think that, you know what, it's simply not worth it to continue this policy, to continue to endanger these Americans? Not every detail is sound. Stay right here. [1] In 2017, he returned to Washington, D.C. as a crime and justice reporter. That means the administration will have to come to Congress with specific plans for moving forward, and those will be reviewed. You come at a momentous time to Washington. AL-HAKIM (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): It's well-known that the Iraqi problem is an internal and external one. Elaborate on what you were writing. And so, you know, we're in a situation, really, where there has got to be some strategic realignment. And there is a very wide agreement that they could dispense with much of the trappings of democracy if only they could get somebody -- who, it's not very clear; perhaps Ayad Allawi, the first prime minister, the first of three Iraqi prime ministers we've seen since June 2004 -- and give him plenipotentiary powers. LEE HAMILTON, IRAQ STUDY GROUP VICE CHAIRMAN: Part of the problem, I'm sure, is that we recommend conditional aid to Iraq, depending on their performance. And one very indispensable element of that national reconciliation program is the sharing of oil proceeds on the basis of population. Listen to this. It's going to move to the Pentagon, under Bob Gates, the newly confirmed secretary of defense, who is there to make new decisions, working with Congress. Shimon Peres, statesman, born 1 August 1923; died 28 September 2016. There were two aftershocks. You are a star! Jimmy Carter did a brilliant job in Camp David. But also, we are failing in Iraq. Good policy is difficult to make when information is systematically collected in a way that minimizes its discrepancy with policy goals." Back to you, Wolf. It was bridgeable. So, clearly, that's part of what we need to do. BLITZER: How much? And I think it fails to notice that the reality on the ground is a partitioning of the country, which I think is OK. Shimon Prokupecz is an American journalist and TV personality He is of American nationality and white ethnicity He currently serves as the crime and justice reporter for CNN's Washington bureau His career began as a paralegal at the District Attorney's Office in his home town His net worth is estimated at $2 million. Those are strong words from the Kurdish president of Iraq. HARMAN: I know they did, because there is some intermixing in certain areas. (END VIDEO CLIP) BLITZER: Strong words from the former president of the United States. BLITZER: Correct me if I'm wrong, but before you were re- elected, Congressman, you wanted more troops deployed to Iraq, along the lines of what Senator John McCain and others are suggesting? Is this accurate? At the last moment, the religious Shas party withdrew the support it had promised him. But this depends on the opinion of the military and security experts and the political experts in this, to decide what is the right step for that and what is the timetable for that. BLITZER: Because, as you know -- you've been to Iraq a lot, Congressman Shays -- for all practical purposes, at least many observers say, there already is partition. Days later he found himself at the centre of an unseemly row with the Turkish prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdoan at the Davos world economic summit as a result. He also opened a good fence border crossing with Lebanon, revitalised the IDF after the near-humiliation of the 1973 war, allowed legally questionable settlements on the West Bank, and masterminded the daring rescue of hostages from Entebbe in 1976. Doesn't he know it? If they don't want it, we're not going to get it. But all of these leaders talked to us and said, "We want a unified Iraq." And sometimes it's very, very painful. We'll be right back. I'm not suggesting that the troops leave Iraq. I'm Wolf Blitzer in Washington. He calls the study group's report unjust, unfair, and dangerous. REP. CHRISTOPHER SHAYS (R), CONNECTICUT: I think he means "criminal" in this sense. And they have to come up with something -- I used the word "dramatic" or "different," not incremental. If that is the perspective that these leaders are going to adopt, then there will be no unified Iraq, and there will be no United States presence there in a pretty short period of time. I can't understand Mr. Carter. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. Hier and Trank say that they interviewed Obama in Washington, D.C., in mid-July. AL-HAKIM (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I am currently thinking about the Iraqi issues. He held almost every public office, including those of. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BAKER: I hope we don't treat this like a fruit salad and say, I like this, but I don't like that; I like this, but I don't like that. Unless they get together and actually receive national reconciliation and all of these statements go in the direction, as Lee just pointed out, of their own sect interest or ethnic group interest, unless they get national reconciliation, we are not going to solve the problems of Iraq. And there is concern that, because of the Iranian position to try to destroy Israel and your alignment with Iran, there is concern about you. And if they do not meet those milestones, then we recommend a reduction in military or political or economic aid. Chris Shays narrowly being re-elected, but I'm sure you're happy to be here in Washington. Peres thus won the dubious privilege of becoming Labours first-ever opposition leader. The House Ethics Committee came out with a report saying that members and staff were negligent, not protecting underage congressional pages, but no one is going to be charged, no one is going to be accused of any flat-out wrongdoing. We should start moving out. SHAYS: Yes. Will Mr. Bush accept new proposals? For our North American viewers, coming up at 1:00 p.m. Eastern, "This Week at War," with John Roberts. BLITZER: How do you feel about William Jefferson, the congressman in Louisiana, being re-elected yesterday, even though the suggestions, the allegations there was $100,000 of bribe money in his refrigerator? "Stay the course" has to change. And John, let me start with you. He was used to playing the long game. Such ties were to prove invaluable. And I think that the study group pointed that out. He also released For the Future of Israel, a series of philosophical conversations with the author Robert Littell. We agree that the framework is right in this report; Three parts; change the military strategy; performance-based support for Iraq, built around reconciliation and enhanced diplomacy. We're continuing our conversation with the two co- chairmen of the Iraq Study Group: the former Secretary of State James Baker and former Democratic Congressman Lee Hamilton of Indiana. I understand how hard our troops are working. I put this issue to the former Israeli prime minister, the current vice premier, Shimon Peres, when we spoke here earlier. AL-HAKIM (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): We respect the legitimacy of all other countries and their politics and everything they do. If the U.S. stays for another year, let's say, and another 1,000 American troops are killed, 5,000 injured, $100 billion spent, is it going to really make a difference when all is said and done? But basically, if these regions separate, I think there will be more stability on the ground. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. A preview of Blitzer's interview aired on CNN's. BRENT SADLER, CNN BEIRUT BUREAU CHIEF: Well, first of all, Wolf, you can hear, very loud, the noise coming out of downtown Beirut. After leaving the presidency in 2014, Peres continued work for his peace centre. I'm Wolf Blitzer in Washington. And they're not happy. In his inaugural presidential speech he bluntly stated that Israel had to get rid of the territories. BLITZER: Was the Mark Foley -- he's a Democrat, William Jefferson. Stay safe over there. CNN Here's a look at the life of former president of Israel Shimon Peres. document.getElementById("ak_js_1").setAttribute("value",(new Date()).getTime()); Type above and press Enter to search. In 1969 Peres was charged with developing these areas, and absorbing new eastern European immigrants. They have a right to take their position. In the early 80s, he resuscitated Israels economy, and in 1994 shared the Nobel prize for his role in the efforts to create peace in the Middle East through the Oslo accords. And I think that, if we start saying to the people that we're fighting in Iraq that we're ready to get out, irrespective of the success of the mission, I think that would be very serious. PERES: I don't see the change of heart. PERES: Thank you. In other words, we stay as long as the Iraqis do their part. How can you accuse us? Then we'll go to Baghdad. He even became secretary of Israels navy, although he confessed: My experience consisted of moderate proficiency at breaststroke and one childhood attempt to launch a raft off the coast of Tel Aviv.. I also believe we're going to succeed. ABDUL AZIZ AL-HAKIM, UNITED IRAQI ALLIANCE LEADER (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I would like also to express my thanks to you, to allow me -- to give me the opportunity to talk to the Washington people. To speak bluntly, Shimon shined in his career as CNNs crime and justice reporter. BURNS: Well, my first impression, when the report came down and we began talking to Iraqi leaders about it, was that it didn't seem to have done anything to stir their sense of urgency. In 2009 Peres served as national host for Pope Benedict XVIs visit to Israel. This agreement now on oil says that the central government will make sure it's divided based on population, not based on region. BLITZER: Even though they both, according to the State Department, support terrorism? So we need to just be spending this money much better. Some of his initiatives were halted before they had got going, such as his 1987 London agreement with King Hussein of Jordan. She died in 2011. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) BLITZER: This is "Late Edition," the last word in Sunday talk. SHAYS: To get to the ultimate result you have to go into areas you don't want to to get to that final result. I prefer not to discuss the Israeli options. Remember Middle East peace? Shimon Peres addressing members of the Foreign Press Association during a visit in the southern Israeli town of Sderot, 2014. 1996 - Founds the Peres Center for Peace. Listen to what a Sunni parliamentarian said this week, reacting to your report: "These recommendations might be a solution for the American crisis in Iraq but not a solution for the Iraqi crisis. Support for Peres evaporated when successive bomb attacks killed dozens in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, and talks with Syria came to naught. And I'm not surprised that the president would like that sort of a deal. And how will the U.S. Congress respond? Are those two recommendations you accept? (END VIDEO CLIP) And the fall-out of the Iraq report in Washington and Baghdad; insight from two Pulitzer prize-winning reporters, Bob Woodward of The Washington Post and John Burns of the New York Times. PERES: Israel has shown, in the past, it was ready. Nor was he above taking audacious decisions, as in 1989 when he ordered Mossad to abduct the nuclear whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu from British soil, or in 2002, when he attracted millions to invest in nanotechnology. BOB WOODWARD, WASHINGTON POST: Well, what's interesting -- all the fireworks about the Iraq Study Group, which is earnest, sincere effort, it's a year or two behind the curve. We have good relationships with many countries. He is of American nationality and white ethnicity. And they will notice, amongst other things, that Baker-Hamilton raised the moral question. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If we were to fail, that failed policy will come to hurt generations of Americans in the future. The segment included clips of CNN reporter Shimon Prokupecz covering the anti-vaccine demonstrations in New York City, saying protesters, which included healthcare workers, feel the mandate. PERES: At that time, more or less, yes. And I cannot see how the world can tolerate an Iranian bomb and, as a consequence, a Middle Eastern nuclear situation. Mr Peres died in a hospital near Tel Aviv early on Wednesday, with his family at his . Formerly, she was a Political Correspondent for Asharq Alawsat Newspaper. And they are supporting terror. Shimon works for CNN based in New York as a crime and justice correspondent. BLITZER: I want Lee Hamilton to weigh in as well, because, you know, you're getting negative reaction from all the key groups in Iraq. The troops are the chessmen and women on the board who get moved around for policy or somebody's political cover and so forth. I have made it abundantly clear how tough it is. But that is a prescription for not just a broad-based civil war but a wider regional war. AL-HAKIM (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Of course the number is not a factor, but what is important is for the Iraqi people and the Iraqi government to take care of their own business. We've got to move these people toward the concept of a unified nation. Give us your sense of what, if anything, this Iraq Study Group is going to accomplish inside Iraq. He said that this report, he points out it's bipartisan, that it may be the basis for common ground. Also to be tossed overboard are regional allies who believed America has the will to finish the fight it began." HARMAN: Surely, he is. We'll tell you what he has to say. SHAYS: Well, I BLITZER: How much time should the U.S. give Iraq? [1] President Obama and former President Bill Clinton delivered eulogies at the funeral of Mr. Peres, Israel's former prime minister and president. So you will talk to them and they won't answer. 1953-1959 - Director general of Israels Ministry of Defense. SHAYS: Yes. Learn how your comment data is processed. (END VIDEO CLIP) BLITZER: Congressman Shays, he also goes on to say, This may be, may be criminal, what the U.S. government is doing right now. We also don't understand the culture. Failing in Iraq, which we are doing, not correcting the course, is not going to help us anywhere else in the world and not going to help our BLITZER: So you think the U.S. can still win? Actually, we have had a full agreement with the Syrians. Now that they're going to share the oil equitably -- or that's what they said yesterday -- I think that's a very healthy sign that this may be their choice for how to move. When Israeli authorities denied the centre tax-exempt status because it trained doctors from Gaza, the centre suspended its application and continued with its programme, which by 2015 had helped 250 personnel. "There must be a renewed and sustained commitment by the United States to a comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace on all fronts: Lebanon and Syria, and President Bush's June 2002 commitment to a two-state solution for Israel and Palestine." We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. And let's look, first of all, at the qualifier, "subject to unexpected developments on the ground." WOODWARD: Well, he was not there for the war, and so he's going to make a fresh assessment of it. He negotiated directly with Arafat, turned the Gaza and Jericho First proposals agreed at the White House into reality, drafted the 1994 Paris Protocol of Israeli-Palestinian economic relations, promoted regional summits and in 1995 sealed Oslo II (an agreement to restore Palestinian rule to six major West Bank towns). Personal: Birth date: August 15, 1923 (some sources say the 16th) Death date: September 28, 2016 Birth place:. Unlike holiness, he told David Frost, politics is built on compromise. BLITZER: The secretary, former secretary of state James Baker, the co-chairman of the Iraq Study Group, had this advice this week about -- for the president, in terms of accepting the recommendations, the 79 recommendations of the panel. https://www.instagram.com/p/BJ6TXUKBGNZ/?hl=en&taken-by=shimonpro. Shimon Peres, the Israeli Nobel laureate, former prime minister, and president died on Tuesday in a hospital near Tel Aviv at the age of 93. . A lot more to talk about. And now, in case you missed it, let's check some of the highlights from the other Sunday morning talk shows here in the United States. Shimon caught the publics attention for declining to reveal details about the attackers appearance stating: Police know who he is. His case, I assume, is going to proceed, if it is. Former liberal allies were perplexed when, that May, he proclaimed newly elected Likud premier Netanyahu a peace pioneer an opinion he reversed in 2015 when he blamed Netanyahu (re-elected that year) for talking peace but doing nothing to implement it. This was a battle that would be repeated often over the next two decades. Which barrel has the shell? Further details may exist on the, "Shimon Prokupecz Crime and Justice Reporter", "Divided, They Stand, Russian youths try to fit in", "CNN reporter threatened with trespassing after grilling Uvalde police chief", "BIRTHDAY OF THE DAY: Shimon Prokupecz, CNN crime and justice correspondent", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shimon_Prokupecz&oldid=1132493988, This page was last edited on 9 January 2023, at 03:53. There are a lot of efforts to stop the violence in many directions. July 2009 - Meets with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in Cairo to discuss the Middle East peace process and the fate of Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier held by Hamas since 2006. For the past four hours, the city has been paralyzed, once again, by a massive show of strength, supporting the Hezbollah-led opposition that's trying to bring down the U.S.-backed prime minister, Fouad Siniora, who heads a very wobbly government. Press Esc to cancel. We handed over the whole land. Today, we are going to discuss his fortunes, career, early life, and many more. SHAYS: I think there should be dialogue behind the scenes to get to a point where we can have public dialogue. BLITZER: All right. He's not excited about a timetable for a precipitous, in his words, U.S. withdrawal. They want it to be treated with the seriousness that it demands. September 2017 - His memoir, No Room For Small Dreams: Courage, Imagination and the Making of Modern Israel, is posthumously published. BAKER: Well, it would be a good idea for him to read the report, because we're not talking about a withdrawal before the training and equipping mission is proceeding, before additional Iraqi brigades are deployed. It's a prescription for permanent war.
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