Canonical Church language is very specific, and when a condemnation is issued it is an official canonical document with no ambiguity of language. I am so sorry you feel the need to be insulting. When has Jesus rejected His own authority that of the Catholic Church? You are bound to obey the Bishop of Cleveland whether you like it or not. The argument is as follows: Bishop Lennon only admonishes the faithful from going to HLM. I just read the decree and it is not a canonically official condemnation as you so want to think. Didnt Jesus also loved the gentiles? Either we accept the authority of the Church, or we reject it. he knows the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church so its easier for man not to go to church..or where the true spirit of god is calling us back to true worship. And thats all Im going to say on this. In the first place, Kevin, the state of corruption in the Church makes it almost impossible for the true Faith to be allowed to be spoken. It sought approval through official channels for several years, but instead, in 1999, the Diocese of Clevlandissued a statement urging extreme caution. However, once the Church has condemned a site and declared it off limits to clergy and laity, its a different ball game. Guard me against all evil. The second part is the point about all grace flowing through Marys Immaculate Heart. He was cited for canon law violations so egregious that he was severely rebuked by Rome. The same Faith that is delineated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church is the same Faith that is being taught at Holy Love Ministries. Condemnation is an officially canonical act and the Church has very specific guidelines for enacting it. From The Imitation of Christ (Book 3, Pg 160): Thanks for that Liz. Dont be surprised if you hear that someday, will you? Gary Yanus, Judicial Vicar Diocese of Cleveland, since Bishop Lennon was recovering from surgery. You have every right even a duty to suggest caution, as you did in your article. We pray at HOLY LOVE. Yet, as an ecumenical ministry it found time and space in many of its printed materials to rail against the Church. Therefore, this official proclamation by the Bishop will be of little regard to Sweeny-Kyle, or her husband Don Kyle, the director of Holy Love Ministries. The remnant faithful according to Holy Love messages are those who retain full belief in the Holy Eucharist, in the Magisterium of the Catholic Church, who pray the Rosary and worship God in Eucharistic adoration. People can follow Sweeny-Kyle or the Church, but not both. Thats all Im going to say, as I watch this conversation unfold with disbelief. Remember those who walked away from Christ because He told them,; Unless you eat the Flesh of the Son of God, you have no life in you. this was a hard saying for them. He was very obedient to his Bishop despite the fact that the local diocese really handled the whole situation poorly. I didnt read the whole thing but scanned it. The bishop has a responsibility for all Catholics of his diocese and any who travel to and through his diocese per Canon Law. God bless you, Liz! Welcome. His vocation was to be a husband and a father and he was neither of those things. Do you still believe as the authorities thought they did, that Joans voices were from the devil? His friend and business partner, whose farm property held a large cross and the gathering, reported that Steve and visionaries throughout the world had been called by the Blessed Mother to go to Medjugorje. We all waited and watched, thinking that surely this was the prelude. The fullness of Truth is found within the Catholic Church, which Jesus founded upon the rock of Peter upon it the gates of hell will never prevail. He states that our Faith and its preservation come before obedience to a bishop. It teaches the rest of us good apologetics skills. In Scripture, Jesus tells us that the Father and Him are one. I am a clear writermuch more so than many on this blog who have taken it upon themselves to malign something they give clear evidence of being afraid of and need to bash. Analyze the different messages from the different saints and compare the language. Your interpretations of HLM messages are very confused and you exhibit grave misunderstandings of Catholic theology. Faith is greater than obedience. A meeting with Holy Love representatives made it clear that the ministry will not subject themselves to the Catholic Church. These are people willing to travel great distances and do whatever else it takes to bask in love and graces from heaven. Spiritual pride ~ you nailed it, but fail to see it in yourself. There are bishops and mystical theologians who say HLM is profound theology. The apparitions are real. Later the DEFINITIVE Voice of the Church made her a saint. what might be going on at all these apparition sites is being done as Amos the the prophet stated in ch 3 lines 7&8.. read read read. Vatican Two told us that, and the new head of the CDF has told us that failure to accept the TRUE teachings of Vatican Two is heresy. God bless you all. She told him that if it were a problem that she and her sisters kneel after Holy Communion, then they would leave the diocese. When will we learn to listen and obey the Holy Spirit??? I just needed to love my neighbor to be saved no matter concern for personal sin, let your (unformed) conscience be your guide, do what feels right Does he have serious concerns about the personal profits he garnered from the sale of those churches? While the genuine theologian attempts to develop and complement and unfold biblical and ecclesial teaching, he does not reject it. The judgments of peoples that are a constant in comments on this site again prove just how lacking in the true Faith the commentators on this site are. Since its relatively close to where one of my sisters lives, I mentioned the place to her. Amen." I dont know how to accomplish it, but this is where the problem lies., in my opinion. Does he speak out forcefully on life issues? In that consecration to God, we can accept the Cross, help bear the cross, follow the way of the Cross. Are you saying that when the Bishop says, Dont go there, he is acting outside his sphere of authority? This place made me a better Catholic and its saving souls. He issued his Decree in November of 2009. @3221, you have set yourself up to be the interpreter and arbitrator of Lennons Decree. The bishop has an obligation to pastor his people and protect and nourish their faith. Church doctrine and Church teaching is solid. Leary, a retired chemist who lives in the suburbs of Rochester, New York, has published more than a dozen volumes full of messages allegedly from Jesus, Mary and the saints, warning about the coming of the anti-Christ. Again, this is a metaphor for the interior life of grace as it is stated by the mystical theology of the Catholic Church. Thank you for posting that. I feel this person is a prime example of almost a brainwashing of sorts. I will offer my prayers at Mass tomorrow for you. I know- it has turned me into a daily communicant and I can not get through the day without wanting to pray the rosary and study scripture. We have a similar situation in your trouble with consecration to the Cross. Again, I present the Decree for all to read: No other citations are necessary. First of all, the Bishop of the diocese in which HLM is, has been unable to CONDEMN HLM because there is no heresy being promulgated there.. Condemnation would be a canonical act and it is not warranted because there is no heresy being preached there. Jesus tells us the same thing in the Gospel (Cast out the beam in your own eye so that you can see clearly to see the speck in your brothers eye). This is true adorationnot idolatry. If he himself is not addressing these issues, it would go a long way to explain his aversion to HLM. 3221 came right back to me saying (words to the effect) that it did happen even if I couldnt verify it!!!!!!!!!!! I do not know what I said Harry. 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To be repulsed by Holy Love Ministries is to be repulsed by the true doctrine of the Catholic Faith. This is Not true. But I emphasize what you noted in your story: you are not leading souls away from salvation with your warning. St. Thomas is perfectly clear and I have not misread him. HLM is the most exquisite display of the solid mystical theology of the Catholic Church. I was schooled in the true pristine doctrine, Tradition, sacramental understandings of our Catholic Faith, as well as in Scriptural knowledge and interpretation in the Catholic Tradition long before distortions and errors permeated Catholic catechesis as a result of the misinterpretations and distortions of the Second Vatican Council. Good Lord, you need to fall on your knees in front of the Blessed Sacrament in a church or chapel far away from that place and pray for His grace to extricate you from the snares of the devil. I think it is important to note that in all Marian apparitions ultimately approved, Mary never undermined Church authority and always told visionaries to obey. Otherwise well meaning people are disenchanted by a perception of a lack of people fulfilling their office(s). If obedience acts to harm, Faith, the a Catholic has a duty not to obey his Superiors. This is according to St. Thomas Aquinas. To whom shall we go? Please stop attempting to cause confusion about this ministry. philosophy that goes something like this, That which is obvious admits no debate. Jesus told us that the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church and he promised to send the Paraclete to keep the Church free from error. This is not to understand it at all. Consider the options the devil has available to trap faithful Catholics? recently Pope Benedict XV1 applied pressure to the Bishops when he stated that no monies should be given to organizations not in line with Church teachings. Just so you dont go on misinformed the United Hearts would actually have 8 chambers. Holy Love is the Two Great Commandments of Love - to love God above all else and to love neighbor as self. St. Ignatius is referring to the Magisterium, which is the definitive authority of the Catholic Church. Now the Vatican is discerning Medjugorie and no one has accused (or admonished) those who go there, nor told them to cease and desist. Does Bishop Lennon have serious concerns about the Catholic churches he unjustly closed, replete with canon law abuses so egregious that Rome overrode his decisions and rebuked him sharply? The only true division is good and evil. Whats clear to me is that you NEED HLM to be false. HLM gives a clear delineation of the truths of the Catholic Faith. The relevancy of the full doctrine of the Catholic Faith being taught at HLM is most relevant to the deplorable catechesis that has gone on in this country for 40 years due to poor and, in some cases, nonexistent teaching by the bishops.. That you state that HLM messages are irrelevant to the topic again shows your blind obtuseness to the truth. This is the error of relativism. Demons can project pretty realistic looking reproductions of the BVM, Jesus and the saints. That would be tantamount to making the Cross into a god. It was a no show for the Blessed Mother. He was sucked into this apparition site and ministry. Finally, by end of 2014, the world will know the truth about a great many things and will recognize that the Holy Love apparitions are in fact authentic. Help me to be Your instrument in the world. But there is a dark side to acting on messages that Church authority warns against. I would have loved to have witnessed something like the pilgrims at Fatima did, but really, I do not need it. You may have the trappings of it, but the Church is where the true Faith is taught, preserved, and nurtured in God and for God in order to lead us to God.. You keep following your canon law rule book, and you will still be studying it when the Church is underground and Mass is no longer available, nor the Holy Eucharist worshiped and LOVED in the institutional Church. If the local bishop, after investigating, finds nothing supernatural, he will issue a decree of constat de non supernaturalitate(the supernatural is not established) to help warn and protect the faithful. I thank God for Holy Love!!! Cover me with the Precious Blood of Your Divine Son. No, it does not. Now your church and country are in trouble and we are here to help and pray for all of you. You also accused me of being angry and bitter, but it is you yourself who referred to me as an idiot in an earlier post. Its his job. God does not act this way with His Church. Nor would there have been the initial miracles to report at Lourdes, France if people did not flock to the miraculous spring. What do you think Bishop Lennons statement said if not condemning it, even if the Church may not elect to use that particular word in these modern days? There is absolutely no reason to invest yourself in questionable devotions. Again, Catholic obedience must always be to the Faith. Many of them do go and believe in Holy Love apparitions. As the webmaster of 5 different Catholic websitesone being the Mystics of the Church website I have spent *many* years studying the lives of the mystics/saints/visionaries in the Catholic church, so I believe I can speak to this issue with at least some background and experience in what the Church teaches concerning obedience to the legitimate Church authority. You are all wet canonically on that one. Wow, is that ever an expose! But, it is good to dissect their techniques and arguments. HLM is doing the job that the bishops should be doing, that is teaching the ancient truths and deep theology of the CCC. It is outside of the Churchs teaching and practice and nothing more. Yes, it is condemned. I know from experience that its easy to look only at the surface and miss obvious problems. I think as a math instructor I understood it could contain more chambers as well? It is clear to me that you are sincerely searching for the truth, and that you in no way harbor contemptuous mockery in your heart toward those who have found spiritual strength and guidance at Holy Love Ministries.
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